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Paul Tsukaya
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Posted - 2013.09.28 20:51:00 -
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From what I've read here, armor T3s + guardians are the bread and butter of fighting at wormholes.
Have you ever tried to take such a fleet into nullsec on a roam? What sort of problems have you encountered while doing so? |
Paul Tsukaya
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:26:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:Speed!
An Armor T3 Gang by nature is not really "fast".
Lets say an armor T3 gang ran into Black Legion flying shield Muninns. How would this fight go if it took place 50km off a gate in nullsec? How would this fight go if it took place at at hole in wspace? I'm really curious how differences in geography effect fleet balance.
[Muninn, Black Legion Muninn]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II,Republic Fleet EMP M
Small 'Vehemence' Shockwave Charge
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I |
Paul Tsukaya
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:33:00 -
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Sum Olgy wrote:You lot turn up?
W01F GEO wrote:200 sniping tier 3 as usual?
Apollo Eros wrote:Getting hot dropped?
These responses are amusing, but what the thread is asking about is problems relating to armor T3s specifically, not problems that every fleet has in nullsec due to nullsec being horrible :P |
Paul Tsukaya
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Posted - 2013.09.28 21:48:00 -
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Svodola Darkfury wrote:Tech3/Guardian fleets are powerful because they can dish out a ton of damage close range, have huge buffer, and big tanks with the incoming reps. This makes them fairly powerful vs. volley fleets and anything else that wants to try to brawl. There are no hard counters for this kind of fleet; just lots of stuff that works well with numbers or positioning.
They tend to suffer vs. kite fleets that can string them out over 70-80km and move them out of potential guardian range but still too close to warp to. There isn't really a "counter" to them except a better Tech 3 fleet, or a larger fleet with cap support. If you can try to start to break apart their Guardian chain with Neuts, Jams, Damps, or pure damage focused on the Guardians. That being said, many Wormhole corps will fly with their Proteus' and Legions using their 3rd+ mid-slots for EWAR, such as Remote Sensor Damps with targeting range scripts, which reduces the effectiveness of any kiting/sniping fleets.
They're vulnerable to blobs, as many fleets are, but because they're slow for their size you may be able to work some blob magic and grab several of them before they are able to leave.
Svo.
Alright. So the main reason it's uncommon to see armor T3 + guardian fleets in nullsec, is that they tend to completely welp when they get blobbed, rather than a good chunk of the fleet being able to escape? Making them juicy targets for whoever has 200 pilots in bridge range?
Cause I will admit, I've never had 200 sniping tengus go after my thorax fleet. |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 00:16:00 -
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Is it easier to keep range in open space in nullsec, than it is when fighting near a hole? |
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Posted - 2013.09.29 02:32:00 -
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Svodola Darkfury wrote:Paul Tsukaya wrote:Is it easier to keep range in open space in nullsec, than it is when fighting near a hole? So while you can "300" it up for a really long time in T3 + Guardians, if you aren't on a gate or wormhole, you're going to eventually die if they keep throwing numbers at you
So by this logic armor T3 + guardian gangs would be frightened of the hole they came through unexpectedly collapsing behind them, as it means not only are they suddenly far from home, but their retreat is also cut off.
Is that conclusion correct? |
Paul Tsukaya
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:56:00 -
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Ilaister wrote:HerrBert wrote:Also killing 16b worth of Capitals is waaaay cooler than 500mil worth of cruisers.
So the real question should be, why are you not coming in? Answer our question now nullbear.
I have less than 2 million SP. |
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